45-70 vs 308 for bear


That requires a zero at 247 yards, which puts the slug 3.6 inches high at 100 yards, peaking 4 inches high at 150 yards. This email contact address is not an "Ask the Firearms Expert" service. I really like that Marlin and could use it for hunting but a bear defense gun comes first. Black bear taken with a .45-70 shooting 405-grain Kodiaks. So don’t get too fixated on power. More is always better unless you’re trying to penetrate several inches of solid bone to reach a brain. The Marlin is a very handy rifle but it kicks like a mule! At just 200 yards a 10 mph crosswind will push that 405-grain bullet 10.5 inches. This is a great round for the potential of a bear hunt. I also never said anything about only one gun. According to Nelson, the 12-gauge slug gun is by far one of the … And while we’re asking that, let’s ask if you’d like being punched in the shoulder by 33.4 ft-lbs. close range bear:45/70 or 30/06:better choi Hello I have used both calibers for bear hunting. Those are the two most popular cartridges among hunters who use lever-action rifles in North America. Just like you’d expect with such a popular cartridge, Barnes produces .45-70 ammo featuring their legendary copper X-Bullet. That’s a smidgeon better than the .308’s 180-grain bullet can do. The .308 will probably do it, but the rifles I can think of in .308 are not as handy as an 18" barrel big bore. Heck, for many years, the native Americans in Alaska relied on the .30-30 for everything, from browns to polar bear. The 45-70 is a good bear gun. That said, an expanding .45-70 slug has all the energy and tissue-destroying potential to make an ideal black bear terminator. Which will hit harder out of the two and have a … shooter has a lot to consider, but one thing is certain: While a fine option inside of 100 yards, this is not your versatile, long-range bear medicine. A .45-70 with a 350gr cast lead bullet (left) compared to a 7.62x51mm (.308 Winchester) cartridge. Do both the 12 g and 45.70 hit harder than a 30.06? But not at the expense of “shootability.” You don’t want to fear recoil more than you fear tracking a bear. Bullets from shoulder-fired rifles, handguns, or even slug guns do not kill by blunt force trauma. If I was going to only hunt bear I would do 45-70. But most likely the bear will be shy and reclusive and shot unawares. But so is an ox. Don't know much about the 45-70 performance on bears. Compare the frontal area of a truck to that of a bullet, and suddenly even the .730-inch diameter slug from a 12-gauge looks puny. Among factory-loaded .45-70s you’ll find more 300-grain offerings than 405. A premium bonded core bullet recovered from game. 12 guage rifled slug rilfed barrel? For an all-round black-bear cartridge for engaging them anywhere from bow range to long-range, my pick would be the fabulous .338 Federal. The 308 Win. Clearly, this is not your best option for those cross-canyon western bears. Joined Hunters have been shooting them not just nearly dead, but really-most-sincerely dead with arrows and .243 Winchesters for decades. much more so with porting! I simply remarked that a .38 was not the best choice for stopping a lion, tiger or bear, especially if the .38 was hammerless. Whats the effective range with open sights on 45.70? As for me, I'd look at the Rem 700s or Winchester 70s as both are good solid rifles that will last you a lifetime. with a 300- to 350-grain bullet for bear protection. Losing sleep over which black bear cartridge to choose? Excessive drop and drift—at least by .308 Win. That wounded bear might be heading over the hill instead of going to cover in the brush. ), Location: Spanaway Wa. The maximum point-blank range for an 8-inch diameter target should be 290 yards. Federal 300-grain Trophy Bonded Bear … The .308 will probably do it, but the rifles I can think of in .308 are not as handy as an 18" barrel big bore. The smart move is to pick the right cartridge—one that gets the job done with authority, right now, right there. Large canine teeth, claws, and the strength to use both drive most of this concern. I'd say if you expect for nearly all of your shots to be within 125 yards or so, I'd take the 45-70, hands down. 308 makes me a little nervous with a black bear, but the 18" barrel would be hell with a 45-70. Based on my personal preferences, I'd choose neither of your two choices (308 … It WAS either a .308 or a 45-70. Tracking a black bear by flashlight is quite another. Edit: It’s come to my attention I had the wrong Ruger round. The second bear last year was with my 7mm … That bear died instantly and flopped to the ground. Obviously we are going to err on the side of more rather than less. Another little-known, deadly, but seldom seen cartridge is the superb 358 Winchester, a short-action round based on the 308 Winchester necked up to 35-caliber. But, as any highway patrol officer can tell you, even a badly mangled animal can still cling to life long after the hit. But, as a matter of fact, I carry my .44 much of the time I am in the woods. And that can be anywhere from a few seconds to too many minutes. However, as you’ll learn here shortly, the .30-30 and .45-70 are very different cartridges. But perhaps it doesn't have quite the hole-making potential of our next candidate—a doddering, ancient military round that saw action at a place in Montana called the Little Bighorn. But I do know that is the preferred gun for defense against kodiak bears in Alaska. Either cartridge more than adequate for any black bear or deer. Actually, black bears are not as aggressive or hard to put down as many believe. The odd thing about anchoring via a bigger and better cartridge/bullet is that applied horsepower doesn’t work as we might think. A reader wrote to ask which of his bullets would be appropriate for a Rocky Mountain black bear hunt. Yes sir, ma’am. That’s what this 405-grain load will throw at you in an 8-pound rifle. The .45-70 is a great cartridge. You don't need ammo blasting through the firewall either. load is hauling 2,518 f-p energy. Both are required to unleash damage, of course, but advocates of heavy, slow bullets insist they do more damage than lighter, faster bullets despite the higher energy levels the latter put out. I shoot enough of these loads to be proficient with them but my normal practice/plinking ammo uses a 405gr RNFP hardcast (bought locally for $22/ 500), 16gr. In this advanced era of magnum velocities, this is pretty plodding. Recoil is reasonable, even with heavy bullets from 180- to 200-grains. energy at 16.4 fps? My load is a Rem. The bigger the hole, the better. Many factory loads are held to mild pressures in case they are used in old rifles—particularly trapdoor Springfields from the 19th century when black powder was the engine driving these. I'm gonna lean towards the 45/70 on this one. That’s 500 ft-lbs. “More Powerful” is sometimes hard to define when we’re talking about ammunition. of kinetic energy is not like getting hit by a 2,000-pound truck going 40 mph. is quite versatile and a solid contender as a black bear cartridge. The lighter cartridges—especially the .30-30—will handle black bears with no issue. I'd take the 308 and some heavy loads with you in case you sight a bear. I carry a .308 rifle quite often for bear protection, my bullet of choice … While delivering more energy. The slow .338 bullet steps with a force of 2,878 ft-lbs. I shot a doe with a hot loaded 300 JHP out of a Ruger #1 and the bullet fragmented on impact and only penetrated about … A mortally wounded black bear generally dashes off much like a similarly hit whitetail. I’ve personally shot through and through small warthogs (less than 100 pounds) with a .45-70 only to watch them run 100 to 300 yards.) This is a great round for the potential of a bear hunt. Anchoring a bear in place is more about where you hit it than what you hit it with. You have company. Speaking just for Alaska, many people like and use the 45/70 when guiding and hunting the coastal brown bears. This email link is to reach site administrators for assistance, if you cannot access TFL via other means. That said, an expanding .45-70 slug has all the energy and tissue-destroying potential to make an ideal black bear terminator. Despite gravity pulling relentlessly at 32 fps (and accelerating another 32 fps every second!) Even the sedate old factory loads will do a lot of damage, particularly on what you want to hunt. For reference, what is about the maximim range for a 45/70? Source(s): The .338 and 45/70 both are used quite frequently here in the South. That never turns out well. With a fairly “soft” bullet engineered for maximum expansion, you should realize one of the larger wound channels among these three competitors. 45-70 vs 30-30. But, the Grizzly I shot was right at about 300 yards. But you might not get complete penetration. I just think the gun gets a bad rap on both counts. In a Marlin 1895 lever-action Guide Gun this is handy, reliable, fast fire power. Federal Cartridge was wise enough to “finally” legitimize this old wildcat in 2006. Keep this in mind when comparing the bigger rounds to come. The “30-Not-Six” is essentially a shorter, lighter version of the old military .30/06 cartridge. Oddly, I don't know of any who actually use the .45/70 Guide Guns, but that is because of the compromise of needing something for long shots as well. cast and bonded core bullets recovered from game. Various .45 cal. 12 guage rilfed slug smooth bore? Getting hit by a 500-grain bullet carrying 5,000 ft-lbs. below the 180-grain .308 Winchester slug. The .375 Ruger would have a … Would now be the time to bring up the 410 mag fed ak style shotgun rebarreled to something a bit more potent? I wouldn't have taken … Just don’t expect it to compensate for poor shot placement. Clearly, the mass of a 405-grain bullet suggests it's going to keep going despite just a 1,600 fps muzzle velocity. A feller can never go wrong with this chambering. Transferring 2,000, 3,000, or even 5,000 ft-lbs of kinetic energy from that surface to a significant portion of the bear just isn’t going to happen. I shot a Moose at about 45 yards. well, i do believe im goin with the guide gun in 45/70. The 45-70 is not a long range gun, the 300 weatherby is an excellent choice for long range. And why not? This is part and parcel of the old argument about velocity versus mass. If the primary goal is target shooting and the minor role is hunting, I'd choose a bolt action in .308. Fixed accordingly. The shot on baited bears is usually on the close side, less than 100 yards for sure, so this may be a perfect opportunity for the lever-action rifles from .30-30 Winchester, to .35 Remington to .45-70 Government. At 1,800 fps M.V., Hornady’s 350-grain flat-point 45-70 Govt. What’s different is all that hair. 45-70 is mainly in lever guns and the 06 in bolt. Despite a 4-inch peak trajectory at 75 yards, our 405-grain flat-nose at 1,600 fps can only reach 180 yards or so before falling out of our 8-inch target zone. That 180-grain bullet above should produce 2,700 ft-lbs of muzzle energy and hang onto 1,750 ft-lbs at 300 yards—more than plenty to do what needs to be done. If you are experiencing difficulties posting in the Buy/Sell/Trade subforums of TFL, please read the "sticky" announcement threads at the top of the applicable subforum. (kinda like the AK74s w/muzzle brakes, DAMN loud! 405gr RNFP in Rem. But…. is virtually worshipped by some admirers who insist a 300- to 405-grain bullet from this old buffalo cartridge will all but turn your bear into ham and bacon with one shot. But that doesn’t mean you don’t want any expansion. It should make a good bear rifle within the MPBR of the .45-70 cartridge. A hybrid bullet such as a Nosler Partition with a soft lead nose and encapsulated lead shank should retain enough weight to push deep despite the broadly expanded nose. I had a 450 Marlin in the guide gun which is basically the same as the 45/70 and got a nice six foot boar at about 75 yards. Think I'll get the reg'lar 1895, too, when I have more money than sense. Out to 200 I'd say which ever you want to buy. Last day, getting dark and if I wanted one, that was the shot. Neck, head, and high shoulder shots anchor because they strike the central nervous system. And, of course, you are free to zero lower at 100 and hold high for longer range shots. By accepting you will be accessing a service provided by a third-party external to https://www.huntpost.com/, Copyright 2016-2020. In a modern lever-action Marlin or 1886 Winchester, for instance, higher pressures are fine. the max range at which you can hit a pop can on the first shot without using a bench. Plenty of deer, let alone bears, have been center punched by .45-70 slugs and run for several seconds before succumbing to the wound. 200 pound bear took 5 solid hits before going down. One obvious advantage this cartridge offers is initial bullet diameter. But at limited ranges. Your chances of this one ripping lots of vital tissue before roaring out the backside are quite high. The .308-inch bullets this cartridge propels don’t begin to qualify as “big bore,” but careful bullet selection to maximize expansion should result in mushroomed fronts slightly wider than half-an-inch. This transfers the energy broadly across the animal, crushing muscles, bones, and internal organs. The .45-70 Govt shoots heavier and larger diameter bullets than the .30-30 Winchester. Aug 9, 2009 #4 A. angus-5024 Well-Known Member. Whatever you choose to use to deter a bear attack is a personal decision but to be as effective as possible you need to practice, and that includes using spray. Any of them will easily make black bears into black bear rugs, as long as the proper bullets are used. As illustrated in the chart,.308 Winchester rounds - on average - achieve a velocity of about 2680 feet per second (fps) while.45-70 Government rounds travel at a velocity of 1680 fps. 308 accuracy is MUCH better than the 45-70 also. Potential advantages to the .308 in the bear woods include portability and handling ease. If you still feel you are qualified to post in those subforums, please contact "Shane Tuttle" (the mod for that portion of TFL) via Private Message for assistance. The old 348 Winchester powerhouse in a lever-action would be fantastic on a bear … I'm pushing 405"s at 1600+FPS. If you are a TFL member and can access TFL, please do not use this link; instead, use the forums (like Questions, Suggestions, and Tech Support) or PM an appropriate mod or admin. They make training spray cans that you can use to practice drawing and deploying it. And, surprisingly, while a 405-grain bullet at 1,600 fps sounds like devastation unleashed, muzzle energy is just 2,303 ft-lbs. JHP "deer" bullets. Black bear AND grizzly have been killed by .22LR. Spanning .457 inches, it’s already punching a pretty wide hole. So let’s compare three suitable and popular bear rounds to see how they stack up. The bumper, grill, and fenders of the truck spread energy over a wide area. Sounds like the shots you take won't be far at all, judging by your choice of barrel length. Took the guide gun out today,With the WWG ghost ring sights I can stay on a piece of typing paper out to 200 meters with my 405's. In general, the .30–06 is faster and delivers more energy at distance than the .45–70. Such emails will be ignored. A cartridge ideal for shots at 300 yards across a canyon in Idaho may be less than desirable at 30 yards in Ontario. Figure maximum point-blank range of the .45-70 at 175 yards. But it has competition. It pushes the same .308-inch diameter bullets, just 100 to 200 fps slower. “Would you rather be hit by a ping pong ball going 4,000 fps or a bowling ball going just 100 fps?”. Hunters probably fret more over the best black bear cartridge than any other. More powder, more bullet, more caliber (diameter), more kinetic energy, and more magazine capacity while we’re at it. The straight-wall .45-70 Govt. Here’s the .308’s over-achieving offspring. It’s also 100% … It’s got enough stopping power, thanks to its .45-70 chambering, to neutralize threats from the biggest of the bears … This round fits a short action and can be found in bolt-actions, lever-actions, and even pump actions. It’s one thing to follow up a whitetail in the dark. Their vitals are not armor-clad. It is would be hard to find more useful black bear cartridges than the .308 Win. Here’s our big compromise with this so-called heavy hitter. More have likely fallen to .30-30 than any other caliber. of Unique and a lg pistol primer. Bigger bullet, heavier bullet, and similar trajectory to the highly respected (and deserved) .308 Winchester’s performance. These are not high-volume rifle cartridges; it’s unlikely that you’ll fire off close to a thousand rounds in a single afternoon, the way you might with a semi-automatic rifle discharging .223 … A good friend of mine said we could hunt everything in North America with .308 & a .45-70. A 30-06 is effective at dissuading an aggressive bear. I’ve personally shot through and through small warthogs (less than 100 pounds) with a .45-70 only to watch them run 100 to 300 yards.) Clearly, the .338 Federal is a strong contender as a black bear cartridge. Black bear and CXP3 game cartridges HuntPost® is a registered trademark. I've shot 308's, 30-06's, 45-70's, and 30-30's. To put this into perspective, a Boeing 737 commercial airliner travels at a cruising speed of 600 mph, or 880 fps. The Henry .45-70 can handle all factory loaded .45-70 ammunition intended for use in lever action rifles or equivalent handloads and it is very smooth in operation. Mag. And no, I'm not already deaf. is clearly a fine choice. Advantage in bolt gun is easier to get an accurate gun with a good trigger. And black bears don’t like it any better. .308 is overkill for a black bear. I have a 416 Rigby and a 375 H & H, which would both work just fine and at longer distances than the 45/70 ( I do not have a 458 lott ) However the 45/70 would still be my rifle of choice at the coast, … Equally important, if not more so, is the wind deflection. Because of this bullet’s high B.C., it resists drag efficiently, deflecting just 7 inches in a 10 mph crosswind at 300 yards. Hornady LEVERevolution .45-70 vs 5.56 At just 7lbs, the Model 1895 is a solid choice for someone who wants the power and accuracy of a rifle at short range but doesn’t want to carry around a brick. 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This bear was taken legally, and the meat was put to good use (in my freezer for later consumption). And a few shooters carrying the .375 H&H all used on deer.They aren't overkill if you use heavy for caliber bullets meaning skip the lighter weights and use the heaviest. If you have a firearm related question, please register and post it on the forums. Optimized for rapid expansion, high weight retention, and deep penetration, this is an outstanding choice of .45-70 ammo for hunting black bear, moose, whitetail deer, feral hogs, and elk. Between a .375 Ruger (not .357, my bad) in a bolt action and a .45–70 GI round with a lever, I’d still stick with the .45–70. Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: http://www.researchpress.co.uk/targets/sandyhook.htm, http://www.marlinfirearms.com/cgi-bin/ubb/Ultimate.cgi. It 's well it did a large exit wound to enhance blood trailing and parcel of the Govt! 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